WHERE THERE'S SMOKE
THERE'S FIRE -
An Interview with Lynch Mob
Interview by Christopher J. Kelter - December 9, 1999
With their new album "Smoke This" on store shelves, Lynch Mob have taken their sound to the clubs of America. Lynch Mob's experience on the road has brought them closer together as they strive for a new musical vision. Their spirit, humor, and love for music were brimming in the interview; the chemistry of George Lynch (guitars), Gabe Rosales (bass), Clancy McCarthy (drums), Kirk Harper (vocals), and Mark Simpson (guitars) was as evident in the interview as it was on stage later that evening. Read this transcript of the interview were the Mob poked fun at each other, playfully teased the aura surrounding their new style, and generally loosened up.
Rough Edge: "Smoke
This" has the energy and dynamics of a debut record, but it also has the
poised confidence of a veteran act - how did the mixture of experience and
talent come together in making the record?
Gabe: George was looking for a drummer and the guy
that managed the studio knew people in the area and he recommended Clancy who
was in a band called Oil. The two of them brought me in with the singer
from my band - the singer from my band didn't work out. Mark was working
on the project before I did.
Clancy: It was George, Mark, and me. (Note: at this point, Clancy goes into jokester mode) It didn't work out because Mark was an asshole and he left us.
Gabe: (continuing the jokester mode) Well, Mark supposedly had a tour to do with Flotsam And Jetsam.
Clancy: (still joking) Or at least he claims he was in Flotsam and Jetsam for the last four years.
Kirk: (defending Mark) Hey, I've seen pictures of Mark with Flotsam And Jetsam in Metal Edge!
(Mark smiles)
Clancy: (still joking) Oh, yeah, the
long-haired guy!
Rough Edge: What did the band use as inspiration
while creating "Smoke This?" Was there a particular band or style you
were listening to?
Kirk: The inspiration was called
"deadline" - that inspired us to do it really fast.
Gabe: George had a ton of ideas that he had
recorded at his house along with a drum machine. We had to write lyrics;
we also changed things up a bit. When Kirk came in it added a whole new
flavor.
George: Kirk didn't come in until the end of the
project.
Gabe: None of us really knew what the
finished product was going to sound like. We really didn't know what the
album was going to sound like until we heard it during the mastering
process.
Clancy:
We literally found out what the band was going to sound like as we were tracking
the album.
Kirk: Yeah, Gabe didn't hear the vocals or the
finished product until after the whole thing was done! It was almost like
listening to a brand new CD.
Clancy: (looking at Gabe) You were gone for one
reason or another right?
Kirk: (looking at Clancy) Well, you were gone for
like three weeks, too, right at the very beginning. You hadn't heard the
vocals either - I remember one time you came in, heard a little bit of the new
vocals, and you didn't get a chance to hear it until it was finished.
George: Yeah, he had to go buy it to hear it!
(everyone laughs)
Kirk: Clancy bought it at Best Buy the day it came
out. Clancy said, "Wow!"
Rough Edge: "Smoke This" turned out
pretty good, all things considered ...
George: We should put a disclaimer with the record.
The record should come with a list of excuses...
Kirk: Yeah, people would then say, "It's
really not so bad." I mean, after we listened to it we heard some
flaws...
George: Just picture Kirk sitting in a closet, with
a little naked light bulb hanging down, singing into a little recording machine
- that's how we did the vocals.
Kirk: I did the vocals in the "outhouse"
studio; the rest of the band was in the main house while I was in the guest
house!
Rough Edge: The band has pretty much been playing
every night for the last six weeks. The band's sense of humor, which is
pretty evident at this point, must be critical on the road - how does the band
pass the time on the road, how does the band keep it together?
George: Alcohol. (everyone laughs and then George
does his best Ozzy imitation) Demon Alcohol. Well, how do we keep it
together? We keep our fist fights down to three a day.
Kirk: Exactly.
George: Seriously, I've never seen so much physical
contact on the road.
Rough Edge: That's got to be different for you,
George.
George: You mean with all the friction I had in
Dokken? No, we hardly saw each other - only a few tussles in fifteen
years.
Clancy: The physicality on this tour has been
when people start diving into a table full of people and start head-butting
people.
Gabe: But that's just joking around.
George: I was talking about real animosity in
general from the people surrounding us. The other night our light man was
literally being choked by the club owner...
Kirk: Yeah, I'm surprised that didn't escalate into
something...
Rough Edge: In Allentown?
Kirk: It was in Lebanon. Tables were being
turned over, six chairs were thrown. It was tense.
Gabe: We should have put "Let's Get
Physical" by Olivia Newton-John on the PA. (everyone laughs)
Rough Edge: Kirk, the general lack of positive
messages in music is a bit alarming; however, with "When I Rize" you
put forth that the responsibility of self is critical - where did that message
come from?
Kirk: I don't know if I can put it on one
particular thing. I just think that the song hit me a certain way and at
the time I was coming up with lyrics it was a situation of trying to capture the
band's overall positive attitude, yet still keep the vibe that we are each
strong individuals. I was trying to convey the message that the band is on
the rise and that we're on our way up. I wanted it to be a boost for
ourselves, because gosh darnnit, somebody has to tell us that we're cool.
Rough Edge: Gabe, you're the youngest person in
Lynch Mob and this has to be a hell of an experience - has it met your
expectations?
Gabe: Definitely, it's been great. Basically,
I'm happy to be alive and play music everyday. I get to wake up each
morning and jam with great musicians. It's all I could ever ask for - it's
like a dream.
Rough Edge:
Clancy, we all know that George has always focused on the drummer when devising
guitar riffs - what have you brought to George's playing style to make Lynch Mob
what it is now?
Clancy: Well, to a certain extent I was able
to bring something out of the original material that George had put to tape
which was pretty straight-forward. With the Lynch Mob I've been able to
apply funk and swing more than a normal drummer would. I put a little bit
of funk and soul into it.
Gabe: Clancy affected the rhythms.
Clancy: Some of the stuff changed drastically
from the original tapes, to the record, to the live situation.
George: Clancy has a funky style, a more modern
style - a little more in tune with what drummer are doing these days.
He's a very articulate drummer. The patterns are more complex which is
different than I'm used to.
Kirk: Isn't it funny that it is the drummers in the
last ten years that have become the musical force in music? Back in the
Eighties the bass and drums were playing straight four/four time. And now
with bands like 311 and No Doubt...
George: The bass players and drummers are the
ones shredding...
Kirk: Yeah, the rhythm section has the shredders
while the guitar players are laying back in the groove. It's strange, but
cool. I think Lynch Mob captures the essence of all that.
George: Everybody in Lynch Mob is shredding.
Rough Edge: Mark ...
Kirk: Simpson!
George: Mark can shred; he doesn't because he's
shy.
Mark: I'm a shy shredder.
Kirk: Every single note costs him five dollars.
Gabe: Anything he plays above the fifth fret costs
him money.
George: We don't let him play on frets six through
twenty-two.
Kirk: That's why you ride that low C all the time?
You pound the hell out of that string!
Rough Edge: I guess I'd never thought I'd see
George Lynch playing along side of a second guitarist on stage - what has that
meant to you and your development?
Mark: I'm learning a whole new style. I'm
used to just playing heavy "chunka-chunka" riffs all the time.
I'm playing full chords - I have to be accurate. Accuracy is a big thing
in Lynch Mob.
George: You're learning how to play with loops.
Gabe: Exactly.
Kirk: He's lost some of the spotlight, but he's
gained a lot more responsibility.
George: It's the same for me. I've had to
learn new rhythm styles than I've done in the past.
Kirk: It's also part of a natural progression.
George: I've changed my tone a little bit -
tightened it up a bit. I had to learn to play in a more narrowly focused
manner without covering every harmonic spectrum.
Kirk: Two guitarists have to learn how to lock in
with each other when they are playing.
Rough Edge: George, how does the new incarnation of
Lynch Mob support your lifelong venture for tone, for soul, and for feel?
George: It's a different slant on what I've done in
the past. I'm thinking of going back to rack gear because Mark's rack gave
him a tighter tone. I've had a certain sound over the years and I'm trying
to do something new. For the next record I'll change some things up a
little bit. Mark's chunkier tone is appealing.
Kirk: It's
all about growth.
George: I used to always be worried about solos - I
don't have to be worried about that as much 'cause nowadays you can play just
about anything and get away with it.
Kirk: It's about songs.
George: Yeah, the songs are the focus. We're
trying to do amazing departures away from the vocals, but it doesn't have to be
a guitar solo. Still, it has to be something that captures your ear.
Kirk: It could be as simple as getting a guitar
sound that's unique.
George: Like the guy in Rage Against The Machine -
when he goes for normal guitar solos he leaves you a little bit flat. But,
when he does those things with the toggle switch - that's cool. Mark's
good at doing tricky stuff like that.
Kirk (in a joking tone): Mark isn't a good guitar
player, but he can play the hell out of a toggle switch.
George: Well, look at what Hendrix did. He
just made some noises with the guitar and you were left wondering "what did
he just do"? Mark does that a lot - we all try to figure out what
he's doing; we say "is that a guitar"?
Kirk (looking at Mark): Yeah, "what the hell
was that buzzing sound"?
(Mark chuckles)
George: It's like when Mark takes all those effects
and turns all the knobs "off" and it makes him sound like a
constipated troll from hell. (everyone laughs)
Rough Edge: I would have to guess that many fans
are worried about the longevity of the current line-up? What does the
future hold for Lynch Mob as the band currently exists?
George: I'm not quitting. I might get fired,
though. (everyone laughs)
Clancy: Oh, come on, George...
George: I got fired from my last band. (more
laughter) Seriously, nothing is ever forever. I think we are going
to see the Lynch Mob in this version for at least one more record. That's
what I'd like to see.
Rough Edge: On the Lynch Mob website it says
"Zuloo Is Coming."
Kirk: He is!
Rough Edge: Would anyone care to explain this?
Or is anyone at liberty to explain this?
Kirk: There's this hippie guy who had his own
philosophy about life and how to approach things including music. He lived
up in the hills as a hermit and he had all these disciples. He had people
who would study with him and bring him things. This guy does the new age
type of thing in the Middle Eastern transcendental freaky music - apparently he
does the most amazing things with sitars and guitars and everything. The
legend of Zuloo is such that he was "The Cat." Yet, very few
people ever saw him or talked to him.
George: He was totally anti-materialistic,
anti-promotion. He didn't want to be famous.
Kirk: He didn't care if anyone knew who he was.
George: He would make Peter Green look like a rock
star! (laughter all around) He is a bit of a subversive. There's a
tape floating around - it's like a legend. But it appeals to the fact that
people are still waiting for a new guitar hero.
Kirk: Nobody has blown your mind since Hendrix.
George: Or Eddie Van Halen.
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