WHAT'S GOING DOWN?
An Interview with guitarist Pepper Keenan of DOWN
by Alicia Downs
What exactly is a super-group?
Nowadays if you ask around, one
of the most common answers is Down. They do have members from Crowbar, Eye Hate
God, Corrosion of Conformity, and Pantera on their roster after all. But after
seven years of speculation about a side effort no one would let die, their
sophomore release "DOWN II" sees Down successfully transcending the
barrier of their namesake bands into something entirely its own.
One listen to "DOWN II" and you can hear the most obscene amounts of
vigor coming from each musician. Phil’s vocals, Pepper and Kirk’s
guitars, Jimmy’s drums and Rex’s bass are so much more intense then anything
you have heard before. It is all 110% and it is all nothing short of a
ferocious musical blast into the world of unadulterated rock. This is the way
metal and rock were the days before big wig production and record execs took
over. This is a purely intense soul-driven musical spectacle.
Not that the guys themselves don’t know there is something there. Talking with
guitarist Pepper Keenan, he beams about Down like a proud father brooding over
his newborn. And rightfully he should. "Down II" is probably the
album of the year and will be the album for many years to come.
Rough Edge: I want to start off asking about the
tour. It has been about seven years since you have played together for the
public so how have things been going these past couple of days?
Pepper Keenan: Its been fucking amazing. It’s funny when you start
jamming these songs and everybody knows every fucking word-- you know it’s
bizarre. It’s bigger then it was when we first released the record. We did two warm-up
shows. One was in Birmingham, Alabama with like a week's
notice and there was like a thousand kids there. It was crazy. So
all of the shows have been going great.
Rough Edge: I don’t catch the show until Thursday but I was curious as to what
to expect-- like is it going to be more of a stripped down jam session?
Pepper: No, it’s bigger then you think it is. It’s
massive. We
said fuck it, we got our shit together so let’s do this thing.
Rough Edge: Now do you change up your set list every night
or ...
Pepper: Yeah, we change them around a little bit. You know we are just
trying to get it figured out right now-- which ones are flowing into what
because we got two records' worth of shit. Last time it was simple because
we just had one record and we did that record from front to back. We have
to eliminate songs and we were like ‘fuck, what are we going to eliminate?’
Rough Edge: Are you playing some of the more tranquil songs as well?
Pepper: Oh yeah. It’s cool--I am telling you because I don’t brag
about much but that mutherfucker’s rippin’.
Rough Edge: I know a lot about Philip and how his personal tenets have a sort of
disdain towards commercialism.
Pepper: Uh huh.
Rough Edge: Well, so I was curious as to why in the hell you all would do Ozzfest?
Pepper: Because we want kids to see what the fuck they are
missing. We
were like, fuck, we need to get this shit out there and people need to hear it. Phil and I were talking about it and it’s not commercial, we are as
un-commercial as you can be but we are going to blow away every commercial band
on that thing. We’re going to fucking split, you know?
Rough Edge: I certainly do. Well, speaking of Ozzfest are there any
bands on the bill this year that you are particularly fond of?
Pepper: No.
Rough Edge: (laughs) Not even one?
Pepper: I don’t even know who’s playing this
year. I know Ozzy’s
playing (laughs).
Rough Edge: (laughs) Well, there you go.
Pepper: I like Ozzy. You know, I am going to check them out but I really
haven’t been paying that much attention.
Rough Edge: Well, the band that is going on before you is a kickass metal band,
Meshuggah.
Pepper: Right, I know Meshuggah. And isn’t there some rock band El
Camino or something?
Rough Edge: Not that I know of ...
Pepper: I don’t know. There is some stoner rock band on
there. One of the
earlier ones ...
Rough Edge: Whose idea was it to reference Led Zeppelin on the album cover
(Interviewer’s Note: A "bustle in your hedgegrow" appears on the
bottom of the cover-- a reference to Led Zeppelin’s "Stairway to
Heaven".)
Pepper: It was just a thing Phil was talking about. When we were making the
record we were thinking just how manic the record was done. It was just 28
days of mayhem and we were just thinking that is how Led Zeppelin did their shit.
They did their records pretty quickly in the studio. You know
we weren’t trying to be like Led Zeppelin but we were thinking like they
thought and it just summed it all up.
Rough Edge: I was also curious as to whose idea it was for the "Doobinterlude"
cause it brings a whole new meaning to the idea of stoner rock?
Pepper: (laughs) That was Jimmy. We wanted to have like an intermission type
thing on the record where you would get ready for part two. The
mutherfucker was getting kind of long so we had this idea and I told Jimmy about
it and he was like, ‘just call it Doobinterlude’, and we were like that’s
fucking perfect.
Rough Edge: I tend to agree. I know that you guys all came together
looking to see if the underground was still alive. Did you expect things
to be going in the direction they are now when it all started? It was an
interesting little band boy experiment that you all put together ...
Pepper: Oh, definitely and the experiment is still
going. I had faith that
people would be into it. What is fucking things up now is that people want
to tape shows and shit. And we used to let people tape everything and we
never gave a shit. But then people started fucking selling them. And
with the Internet people are selling Down videos for like sixty dollars and it
is fucking bullshit. I mean our whole theory was to trade shit. And
then these mutherfuckers come to the show asking, ‘dude can I tape your
show?’ and then you see them at the next show selling them.
Rough Edge: So it defies what you all are about ...
Pepper: Yeah. It’s bullshit so we said, fuck it. Nobody is taping shit
unless we know the people personally. It is a drag though because that is
not how we want to be but it is other people forcing us to be like that.
Rough Edge: I hear a lot you all being referred to as a
super-group. What
does that mean to you?
Pepper: I don’t know. I mean, I know what a super-group is.
Rough Edge: Do you think you are one?
Pepper: I think Down is a bad ass fucking band with a bunch of rippin’
mutherfuckers in it and that is all I can tell you.
Rough Edge: There you go, that works too. The greater the success with
Down, I hear a lot more rumors that your namesake bands are breaking up. How frustrating is that?
Pepper: Not frustrating. I don’t listen to anybody and I don’t give a
shit what anybody says.
Rough Edge: I heard before that despite putting yourselves under the clock there
was actually a point where you had too much material and had to stop writing. So,
with all that excess material, is it safe to say you are going to be around
for a while longer, or at least one more record?
Pepper: I think so. We signed a three record contract with Elektra and
that is all I can tell you. It might be seven years from now.
Rough Edge: Well, I think everybody would wait.
Pepper: Well, I don’t think it will be that long.
Rough Edge: Now, you did the album on such a tight schedule of 28
days. Listening
back, are there any songs that you would want to retool?
Pepper: No. I am extremely happy. You have to understand that when
you are doing this music it’s not a perfectionist type of thing. That is
what we are trying to get across to people. You don’t need to spend two
million dollars on an album for it to rock. It is bullshit. People
are going to these swanky damn studios and they are writing fucking three chord
nu-metal songs and it is ridiculous.
Rough Edge: At what point did you realize that Down had climaxed past the idea
of a side project and it is kind of becoming its own right?
Pepper: When people weren’t letting the band die.
When six years later
kids were still holding up Down banners. This thing was not dying. We always knew that sooner or later we would do it but when we recorded the
first song on this album with Phil’s vocals on it, which was ‘Ghosts of
Mississippi’, we just knew something was there.
Rough Edge: It is definitely more serene. Even lyrically it is more
poignant then anything I think any of you all have done before.
Pepper: Hell, yeah.
Rough Edge: What are some of the opportunities you have to expand in Down that
you don’t have in C.O.C.?
Pepper: I think mainly it is guitar stuff since I don’t have to
sing. I can mainly just focus on playing the shit out of the guitar which is
killer. I love singing but singing and playing guitar take a lot out of you. Now I
can just focus one hundred percent on just jamming.
Rough Edge: Considering your success do you think it is possible in this day and
age for more musicians to make it with just their music and to kind of shelve
the corporate bullshit?
Pepper: I hope so. I am not trying to change the world but that’s Down’s
attitude. Shut the fuck up and play. You don’t need a fucking
space suit, you don’t need red hair.
And what better way to end an interview then with that?!
For more information on DOWN, including their present headlining tour and
information on Ozzfest, check out their official web site at: http://www.down-nola.com.
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